Around The World With Amber Mark

August 31, 2021

Amber Mark knows how to make music that goes the distance. Born out of a love of music and travel Amber Mark's sound knows no bounds. After her 2017 Grammy nomination for Best Engineered Album Amber got right back to work, determined to keep pushing full speed ahead. It's not only her unique sounds that sets her apart from the crowd, but her hands on approach to her music, making sure every song has her magic touch in some way or another. Constantly drawing from the sounds of her childhood overseas and adventures with her mother, Amber Mark isn't affraid to push the boundaries of her music. Blending R&B sounds, with Gospel samples, and just a pinch of Bosso Nova, this album has something for everyone and then some.

Interview by: Oona Oglesby
Photographed by: Michael Beckert
Styled by: Brandon Tan
Fashion Assistant: Morgan Charlton
Hair by: Jamilah Curry
Makeup by: Sena Murahashi
Set Design: Tara Shafa

Gaffer: Pierre Crosby
Photo Assistant: Chase Elliott

I was listening to your new album and it was so amazing.

Oh thank you!

Of course! So lets start at the top, when and how did you start making music?

I've been interested in music ever since I was a little kid. I always wanted to take piano lessons, I wanted to learn how to play all the instruments honestly. But my mom and I traveled a lot when I was a kid, and I can't really travel with a keyboard. I mean, I could but that’s a lot for like nine year old.

Might be just a little heavy.

Exactly! But I was really adamant about playing something so when I was 12 years old she got me a guitar and I started really learning from there. We were living in Berlin at the time and I just started teaching myself on YouTube, learning the basic chords. During that time, around 8th grade, I also joined the choir program which was my first introduction to singing. One thing led to another and I just knew that music was something I wanted to do seriously.

Even in elementary school, we had those big colored Macbooks and during free time we could choose Imovie, Garage Band, or Text Edit and I always ended up making little beats on Garage Band. Once I got older and was in high school I began to start writing songs and making demos to show to producers so they understood the sound I wanted. And honestly no one really got what I wanted so I just continued to learn and develop my personal sound. Eventually I got Logic, a mini controller and a keyboard, put those together, put something on SoundCloud and one thing led to another.

It really all just fell together, that’s great! You mentioned living in Berlin, did you move around a lot? Where are you currently based?

New York is my current base, things are beginning to pick back up so who knows what the future holds, but I’m very settled right now. It feels like it’s always been my base, but that also isn’t true because my mom and I did a lot of traveling when I was young. My mom really just wanted to be like a traveling gypsy, and that always changes when you have kids, but she honestly did the least amount of settling down possible. I was raised in Miami till I was six and then we moved to New York and were just supposed to be there for the summer. When 9/11 happened the traveling kind of halted so she put me in school here because she didn’t want me to fall too far behind.

We ended up moving to India when I was nine and we were only supposed to be there for six months but four years later we were still there. In between that we went to Nepal for a bit, Thailand for six months, and then we ended up moving to Berlin because my mother is German. I had been homeschooled for all of our traveling in Asia so she wanted me to finally be settled for school as I got older.

That’s so amazing, to have experienced all those different places so young.

It was amazing in hindsight but back then I hated it. I was like, I do not want to live here, we were only supposed to be in India for two years, but it's been four. All I wanted was to go back to New York so I ended up coming back here for 2 years. My mom had a tough time getting her green card, so I moved in with my Godparents when I was 14. Then for my junior and senior year I went back to Miami and then finally once I graduated and my mom had gotten her green card I moved back to New York and I’ve been here ever since.

Wow.

I know! It was a lot of traveling, and I love it now, but also now after COVID I just feel like I need to get out of New York. I need nature and trees!

You have so many amazing sounds and samples on your album, how did all of the traveling you did growing up inspire your sound? If at all.

Yeah, I mean there has definitely been some inspiration from my traveling. Music is always about what you've experienced. I feel like for the most part, drawing inspiration from life is what artists do in general, regardless of what type of art they do. I’m always drawing inspiration from my life, like with my first EP, 3:33 AM, that was really about me dealing with the loss of my mom. I wanted it to encapsulate the kind of person she was, and I mean she's German if I didn't put any German folk music in there, but she was obsessed with India and probably would have lived out the rest of her life. So with 3:33 AM, I really wanted to utilize that sound of the time we spent together there and all of the sounds I fell in love with when I was a kid there. The traditional singing and, you know, classical tabla playing all that stuff. Music from all over the world was such a prominent part of my childhood I feel like it really helps in explaining who I am as a person and as an artist. I am never going to try to make a traditional Indian piece, but that was such an important part of my life I want to utilize and respect those sounds within my own music.

Also living in Berlin I have always loved Berlin techno and house music, we didn’t spend much time in Brazil but my mother was always listening to Bossa Nova. She was obsessed with Stan Getz so I take a lot of from that as well. I always wanted to go into the Bossa Nova vibe with those kinds of sounds.

Absolutely, you’re drawing inspiration from your life and almost honoring that time and those experiences you had in those places.

Exactly. And that’s been a crazy thing about the pandemic too. I think this is the longest I’ve ever gone without traveling. It’s definitely been a be careful what you with for moment. I remember sitting in my apartment like, ‘if I could just get a few days! Not having to go anywhere or do anything!’ This was definitely not what I meant by that.

I’m really interested to know where you kind of see your music falling genre wise? Is there a genre that you want to experiment with more? What is your thought process around that been?

That's a tough question. Honestly, I don't know. There's definitely accents of R&B, I think that's probably the most prominent sound, but honestly it's, it's always changing. I've been dabbling a little bit more like the hip hop world, especially with this album. My sister used to call it tribal soul. I kind of went with that for a while and then my sound kind of changed a little bit. I've been saying it's like alternative R&B with some house influence and then there's also a bit of rap singing thrown in there. What do you think it is?

Oh my, I mean, you start off the album with one with this crazy sample that, when I was listening to it, it was kind of R&B meets soul-gospel sound. It was such a powerful opening to the album I was like, okay I see what's happening. And then as I listened to it the sound just continued to evolve and surprise me. Then to end the album with Event Horizon, there were these wild bass lines blended together with this angelic violin. I think the album takes you on a journey through genres but nothing ever feels out of place. It’s such a, dare I say, journey, I was immediately wanting to know what you classified it as.

Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, because honestly I've been having a tough time with that question myself. I also haven't played it enough for people or asked that question. It's kind of hard to describe what genre this album is because I kind of go all over the place. But thats what I love about it, I love that there's so many different types of genres and sounds. This album has been four years in the making, ever since I started doing this professionally. Honestly I think that what really keeps the sounds together even though they’re all so different, is my voice. The music goes all over the place but my voice is always staying the same.

It makes me think, you were nominated for the Grammy for best engineered album and from what we’ve spoken about it seems like you have a very hands on approach with your music. I feel like your voice and you having a strong hand in the production also aids with the album having a cohesive feel to it.

Yeah. I mean I was involved in every single song except for actually one. I feel like because I am self taught I tend to like to go to producing on my own, because if I work with other people all of a sudden I feel out of place. Something special about this album though is that I actually did a writing camp with my team at this house in Ohio. I feel like before this I had been such a solitary artist that this really helped me come out of my comfort zone, but also allowed other people to help me take my album to the next level.

That sounds so fun!

It was amazing. There was one night where we broke off into teams and each team had 25 minutes to write a song. At the end of it I actually loved what we had come up with, and I feel like because I was looking at it as this game the pressure to make something amazing fell away and I was left with something, kind of amazing!

When it was over I was listening to everything on the way to the airport and getting super emotional because I never thought I would have that kind of experience. It took a few days to get comfortable but once I did it was just magic.

Experiences like that are so priceless.

Absolutely. I wouldn’t trade that for the world.

I'm really curious to know, when do you feel like a song or an album is finished? When do you feel like you can finally close a project, release it, and start working on something new?

I don’t think I ever really think of something as done. I mean I have been working on this album for years now and I could work on it for years to come. Even once I had something in it never really feels done, I can always find something I would like to have improved on or changed after the fact. I got lucky with this album though, I really had people on my team who understood the importance of waiting and sitting with the songs. We were actually supposed to put out the album last year and I am so grateful that we didn’t because there would be a few songs on it now that wouldn’t have been had we released it when we were originally supposed to.

I'm excited to see what’s next for you! Can you give any hints?

After the album comes out we have a bunch of shows set. Hopefully with COVID we will be able to still do them! In terms of new music, I am slowly but surely beginning to think of some things. I feel like because I have been working on this for so long it’s going to be hard to focus my brain onto anything else. Right now I’m just trying to stay focused on the release and then the shows!

Well I am so excited to see what comes next! This album is going to absolutely kill it.

Your mouth to Gods ears.

I’ll do my best to make him listen!

Outfit 1:

HAT - NINA RICCI
DRESS & SHOES - MELITTA BAUMEISTER
TIGHTS - FALKE
EARRINGS & BRACELET - UNCOMMON MATTERS
RING - BALENCIAGA

Outfit 2:

DRESS - ISABEL MARANT
SHOES - DSQUARED2
ALL JEWELRY - ALEXANDER MCQUEEN

Outfit 3:

TOP & NECKLACE - AREA
PANTS - MIU MIU

Outfit 4:

DRESS - KENN PANN
CORSET - HEIKE
EARRINGS - BALENCIAGA
SHOES - GUCCI
BANGLES & FINGER CAPS - L’ENCHANTEUR
SPRING CUFF - UNCOMMON MATTERS
NECKLACE - ANNIE COSTELLO BROWN

Music

In the bus with bar italia

April 30, 2024

People had a lot to say about the band not saying anything at all. Not even their songs are that disclosing; there's something about pain, running away, and real desperate house vibes. I shake my head while spilling half my cup, moving to music bursting with emotions I am not yet familiar with. The crowd is a vehicle for whatever’s going on on stage. Or blasting from the speaker, because, let's be honest, at this point they’ve also made their way into every house party, after-hours, and Uber ride. Not uninvited.

bar italia is officially in the limelight, but their sound remains as in the dark as ever. We join the British band on tour — over shitty reception — not necessarily to find out more about the sound, nor the start, but the nothingness sandwiched between the stage and the van, the lighthearted and serious, the male and female cunnilingus.

Words by Vilda Krog
Photography by levi sargent

While others were possibly screaming at each other, Nina, Jezmi Fehmi, and Sam Fenton were screaming in chorus — the trio became a band during shelter-in-place curfews, not long after the three of them started living together. Fehmi and Fenton came from “Double Virgo,” while Nina came from her solo project “Nina.” I like to picture them writing woozy lyrics across dirty dishes; something, if not everything, about their sound does not strike as polished, yet it's almost annoyingly precise in its patronage.

Titles are as vague as their noise is amorphous, and the ambient appeal stretches across all four albums — Quarrel, bedhead, Tracy Denim, The Twits — and as the band hits the road once more — all across America.

Nina— Sorry for any noise. We’re on the motorway.

Turn on the camera!

N— OK. I can do that.

Where are we headed?

N— Asheville.

What did you dream about last night?

N— I have the most meaningful memory: we’re on a boat, really shallow water — like aquamarine — there’re a lot of stones all around us and small islands made of crystals. We approached a medieval church, it had a cross at the top that was made in stone, carried by columns, it was backlit by the sun so it looked very majestic. And then we swam in the water.

And that was it?

N— That was it.

Jezmi Fehmi— I had a very desert based dream because I watched the new Mad Max trailer yesterday. It was very sand. It was very hot. Perhaps it could also have something to do with the van, or the fact that we’re headed to the desert soon….What did you dream about?

I don’t. Or well, I guess I do but I haven’t woken up and actually remembered a dream since I was a teenager. It sucks, but then again I don’t get nightmares either.

Sam Fenton— I had a nightmare once that I had to reset an exam, I hadn’t done any homework to prepare for it and as I looked down at myself I was sitting there all naked.

Does it hold relevance? Does what you dream ever add up to something?

SF— 100%

JF— I don't think they do.

N— I feel like it helps you process stuff in ways that sometimes feels more true to yourself. Once we’re so fed with experiences and expressions throughout the day — especially while being on tour, for example — dreams are then like a digestion system. But for the mind.

Does bar italia have any dreams in common? What's the goal.

SF— Food. The next coffee. Soccer.

Then you’ve already made it.

JF— I guess so. We’re currently driving past a place called Kernersville, in North Carolina, which means that we’ve definitely made it as far as I’m concerned.

N— Once the vultures are circling around you. That means you made it.

Likewise once people start inking bar italia onto their bodies? Your response to fan tattoos were that you were “going to be gone next year anyways,” while a tattoo is eternal — where are you going?

SF— You’ve got to live like you’re going to be gone next year.

That sounds very "yolo"?

JF— What it means to me is to appreciate everything that’s happening or not happening right now. It could be gone..

SF— Yolo is destructive, what I’m talking about is about maintaining the value of your life. To not take anything for granted.

Not even Kernersville.

Are you good at living in the present, then?

N— Working on it, that is our common goal, if you like. Sure it kind of gets harder to stay present as the attention grows, but at the same time it gives you a better understanding of what's happening around you. Also, to be around the right people who can make you process whatever it is that's going on.

Or, to be on the road? Touring in all its madness but isn't the road quite calming?

JF— I sleep in the car. And everybody wants me not to. I snore, a lot.

P— I love driving past a new bridge, that’s always a perk. I’m especially fond of a bridge that’s under construction, when one is overlapping the other. It’s like spaghetti, or a Jungian dream.

Do you have a favorite bridge?

SF— Liam’s favorite is Under The Bridge Downtown. Personally, I’ve burnt all my bridges.

Liam— My second favorite bridge is in “Joise” though; when it goes from the D minor to the E minor... do get you that one?

Let’s just say I don’t think I’ve driven across it.

N— We’re just making puns…

I’d like to blame the reception. But maybe I’m not British enough.

We’re going to hit an exit for you, just leaving the highway… hang on.

We’re driving past a place called Kernersville, in North Carolina, which means that we’ve definitely made it.

Puns aside. I’ve read too much about your sound — “mello vocals”, “conversational croon”, “hardcore howl” — whatever, I prefer just listening to the actual noise. Instead of putting sound into words, describe bar italia in a feeling. Or form. Or flavor. You get it.

SF— Spicy. It's spicy.

As in curry, Indian spice, burning type of way?

JF— No, no, no. Spicy as in hot, as in red hot chili peppers.

SF— Like a scotch bonnet under your eyelids. That’s how we’d taste. We’re the flavor you can’t get off your tongue.

And where is this scotch bonnet played out? In what setting do you envision your music, other than the stage?

JF— Somebody told me, quite recently, that they lost their virginity to a bar italia song.

N— Someone sent a message saying they went down on their girlfriend while listening to us.

To what song?

N— No specifications, it’s just “to your music.”

So the environment is inevitably the bedroom? Or a virgin could get lost anywhere, really.

JF— Whatever works for them. I think the female cunnilingus is, specifically, the setting.

SF— Male cunnilingus!

JF— Oh right. Did I get that wrong?

Where is it exactly?

N— The setting is any cunnilingus. We don't discriminate.

Music for sex.

N— Yes.

Cool.

SF— Thank you, for fuck's sake.

Like a scotch bonnet under your eyelids. That’s how we’d taste.

I heard that Jezmi doesn't like music at all, not even your own music, which…

JF— When I said that it had been a really long day, and..

What do you then do when the rest of us turn to music? To cry, to rage, to feel, to escape, to isolate, to relate?

JF— I do the same, I listen to music. I’m not much different from anybody else. However, what I meant is that I often find music much more interesting as a phenomenon, as something to read about — I like biographies or autobiographies of musicians, it’s history in general — in comparison to just listening. But music is still my soul's emotional playground.

You were all pretty quick to jump to defense just now, have you had it with people perceiving you “wrong,” if there’s such a thing as right or wrongs?

N— I mean, we’re only human so, naturally, certain things will get to you personally, perhaps there’s been some stuff in the past. But as a band, no. I’d say we’re quite good at not worrying too much, about being things we aren’t.

Previously you were mysterious for not speaking to the press, whereas now, supposedly, you’re rude for not speaking to the audience? I think it's sympathetic not to clutter the ambivalence with meaningless chat while performing.

N— We rather have the connection to just be real. Instead of repeating the same phrases over and over again, out of the light, we’re just seeing if something comes up. And, if it doesn't, we hope that the set is good enough to stand on its own.

Cool.

N— Cool.

Define cool?

N— I don’t know if I have an answer.

JF— I’ve got one. Cool is something that makes people engage with something in a way that interests them for a reason they don’t know why.

SF— Cool is when you don’t give a shit. Like cigarettes and drugs and nothing else. And sex is cool. The coolest people I know are asexuals.

JF— They claim to be but are seemingly sleeping with about seven people at the same time.

Is that uncool? What’s uncool?

JF— ...art.

N— Could you not Jezmi? You don’t have to destroy one genre every interview. We’ve got music covered — we hate music! Now art is covered — we also hate art!

What about bar italia art? I’m not referring to your past exhibition but the little doodle making up your logo. What’s the story?

N— No, you can’t ask any questions about him. The doodle is not even off the record but never on the record.

Well just tell me this, is he crying? Meditating? Who’s the artist?

N— That's a secret. You’re free to ask anything but not this. He’s doing a face massage. That's all.

JF— He’s meditating.

SF— Washing.

Washing his tears away?

N— No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There’s no tears. It’s massaging its face. It's lymphatic drainage.

Post tour vibes or real desperate house vibes?

Both.

Music

Jesse Jo Stark Is in a Genre of Her Own

April 19, 2024

In the midst of a total solar eclipse, I got the chance to talk about music and style with Jesse Jo Stark.

As I’m on the phone with her from New York, Stark is on a tour bus with The Veronicas, driving through the Colorado mountains to enjoy some time off in between shows. The Veronicas have just started their Gothic Summer North American Tour, and Stark is opening the show. What’s special about this tour for the lifelong music obsessive is the sense of powerful feminine energy encapsulating the tour. “We just started [tour], but it’s been really lovely. I’m obsessed with the fact that we’re all women — it feels like a very powerful crew. The Veronicas are lovely, the crowds have been so fun, and the venues are beautiful. It’s gonna be a good month.”

Photography Sophia-Liv Maguire
Styling Marc Eram
Interview Angelina Hazzouri
Talent Jesse Jo Stark
Hair Antoine Martinez with PARADIS using Roz Hair
Makeup Sydney Szramowski
Photo Assistants Mia O’Neal, Rashaun Richardson
BTS Ms Josephine
Creative Producer Olivia Roper-Caldbeck

This is Stark’s second time touring since the release of her full-length debut album DOOMED in late 2022, which was very well received and led to Stark’s first sold-out international headlining tour on behalf of the album. Previous to her solo tour, she’s opened for various notable acts, such as Guns N’ Roses and Jane’s Addiction. I asked Stark, who’s been writing and playing music since age 11, what it was like to prepare for her first sold-out headlining tour. Unsurprisingly, before any tour, Stark goes into what she describes as “bootcamp mode” — dancing every day, vocal training, rehearsing with her band, and of course, working on her outfits. “That’s the sort of homework I love,” she says, smiling. (Even though we’re on the phone, I can tell she’s smiling when she talks about the outfit part. I’d smile too if I had her tour closet.)

What’s unique about Stark as a musician is that she has ultimately created her own universe by embracing every aspect of her creative upbringing, her raw talent, her fascinating influences, and her unwavering beliefs in not needing to fit into a certain box when it comes to her art. She creative-directs and styles all her own looks, referencing an ever-evolving list of influences that range from Vegas showgirls to Halloween to old films to her parents in the 90s. “I think when I was younger, I had this rebellion against what I was made from,” she tells me, “but now it’s just my blood. I constantly reflect on my childhood and everything I was taught and everything I saw. My brother and sister and I are constantly pulling influences from our parents from the past. I think, more than ever, I’m heavily influenced by them.”

Stark, the daughter of founders and owners of the self-made American fashion brand Chrome Hearts, and now its creative director and designer, is someone who always knew what she liked, but as she describes it, had to ‘go through the motions’ that come with growing up and knowing one’s identity. Today, her self-efficacy is palpable — and it’s inspiring.

...when I was younger, I had this rebellion against what I was made from, but now it’s just my blood.

When she’s on tour, Stark is growing with herself and with her art — she’s not afraid to take life as it comes and learn through the process. With every show, regardless of whether it was on her DOOMED tour or this tour with The Veronicas, Stark understands the importance of human connection through music. Seeing faces of music lovers like herself, meeting those who have traveled to see her, and visiting familiar and unfamiliar cities has reminded her that she loves being on the road. “The growth that happens on tour is so important to me as an artist.” Sometimes we have to leave behind what’s familiar in order to rediscover what’s important, and Stark is a proponent of this growth mindset.

Growth doesn’t just happen on tour with Stark — this evolution of herself happens within genre as well, and for Stark there’s no such thing. Since her first release Driftwood in 2017, the artist’s sound has shifted year after year, but in a harmonious way that still feels central to her gothic Americana roots. When asked if she’ll experiment with genre in the future, Stark confidently answers, “I think I’ve only experimented with genre. I don’t think anyone knows what genre I am.” (She calls herself a “horrific hillbilly” — a perfect descriptor.) Steadfast in her belief that we as humans can constantly evolve in our work, Stark thinks it’s antiquated to fit yourself into a certain box and focus on one specific trade in order to succeed. “If you look at us as people, we’re seasoned. We change all the time. I want to experience different things.”

Since Driftwood, a two-song EP rooted in rock and country, Stark has experimented with more robust beats and 808s on DOOMED, and her most recent single “skeleton” features a softer, grungier punk sound. Without fitting into a specific genre, Stark’s music is undoubtedly and wholeheartedly her own, transcending the boundaries of what many artists struggle with when finding their sound. “I don’t think we should have to label ourselves in any way, shape, or form; so I’m not going to. I will continue to make all types of different music.” Fuck yeah.

If you look at us as people, we’re seasoned. We change all the time.

This goes beyond just music — in terms of her personal style, the same mentality applies. We discuss the idea that clothing and dressing is a sort of playground, and personal style comes from within. Stark isn’t about following trends, but rather, she thinks it’s important to tap into different stylistic elements that amplify who we are at our cores. On her DOOMED tour, Stark wore a lot of leather and stuck to a fairly dark color palette. Right now, she’s into more bourgeois satin and lace, experimenting with different textures and wearing things that feel slightly daintier and more delicate. On this current tour with the Veronicas, Stark is making it more of a point to take everything in — absorbing inspiration from every city, writing songs on the road, recording video on a friend’s super 8 camera, styling and wearing new outfits, learning and performing new covers — ultimately growing through the whole experience.

It’s endearing and inspiring how well Stark knows herself. A Los Angeles native, she proudly tells me that the tour finishes on May 5 in her hometown, a show that she’s especially excited for. While we can’t predict what thoughtfully-curated outfit she’ll wear or what songs will be performed, with new music already underway, one thing is clear: Jesse Jo Stark is just getting started.

Music

9lives' Latest Single Continues to Push Sigilkore

April 19, 2024

The versatile artist, producer, and pioneer of the sigilkore genre, 9lives, has recently unveiled his latest single "CANADA" featuring jnhygs. In less than two years since his emergence onto the music scene, 9lives has carved out an impressive niche for himself as a prominent figure within the digitally-driven sigilkore movement. "CANADA" sees him teaming up once again with experimental dance artist jnhygs, following their successful collaboration on "XTAYALIVE".

With aspirations to establish himself within the mainstream arena of experimental music production and artistry, 9lives is blending his distinct dark production style with collaborations with a diverse array of influential artists who trust him to create innovative sonic landscapes. "CANADA" marks his second release of 2024, as 9lives continues to champion the burgeoning sigilkore movement, pushing the boundaries of genre, evolving into a multifaceted artist, and solidifying his status as a rising star with an expanding audience.

Image by Connor Pritchard

Reflecting on their latest project, 9lives shares, “In early 2023 jnhygs found my music and we started chatting through TikTok, releasing our first song together called "XTAYALIVE"." He adds, We’ve been friends since this song had a viral moment, and fans have been heavily requesting for us to work together again all over our videos.” Describing their creative process, he explains, “I sent a bunch of new ideas to jnhygs via Discord and she sent back vocals to “CANADA”, which I then used to create melodic layers and extra percussion to complete the song.

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