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You Feel So Warm: Maryam Nassir Zadeh

  •  MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH wears FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH

The SS23 collection reads like a diary entry, stringing together fragments from Zadeh’s life, from her early days at Rhode Island School of Design upcycling textiles, to becoming a mother of two. Though Zadeh’s presentations have always felt personal and sentimental to the designer, the themes and references displayed in this show yielded a period of reflection that persisted long after the curtains closed. Unbeknownst to her, she later discovered that the show had fallen on the 10-year anniversary of her store opening — a symbol, however subconscious, of completion and rebirth. Meditating upon this wave of introspection, Zadeh sat down with two dear friends, filmmaker Clara Cullen and photographer Max Farago, to discuss the simultaneous pleasure and distress that can come along with creating art made for an audience.

 

Like many who meet Zadeh, Cullen and Farago immediately felt drawn to her upon their introduction — which occurred in a fashion almost as serendipitous as Zadeh’s work. What all three creatives share is a fervor for the raw bits of life: as unfiltered and unbridled as they come. Running with the instant connection they felt after one interaction with the designer, Cullen and Farago invited Zadeh to their wedding, an impulsive act that has proven fruitful for their deep, long-lasting friendship.

 

But Farago and Cullen are only a fraction of the network Zadeh has woven around herself. She is the glue that holds many downtown creatives together, urging artists to be the most unapologetic versions of themselves, and inspiring a contemporary form of minimalism informed by feeling. In bringing this collection to life, Zadeh gathered a group of different people from her lively community within the light-filled L.E.S. studio she works out of. Alongside the likes of Coco Gordon Moore, Susan Cianciolo, Andre Walker and Paloma Elsesser, we witness the designer’s gifts — both in clothing, and in forming connections. Breathing a sense of sentimentality into everything she does, Zadeh reminds us that life is not always about what you do, but who you choose to do it with. Catching up from Los Angeles, Cullen, Farago and Zadeh easily embarked on musings of authenticity, family ties and the glue that holds their trio together: love, and an ardent love for life itself.

I have enough right here, and I just need to take it in.
  • ANDRE WALKER wears FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH
  • UDAY wears FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH

Max Farago— What the three of us have in common is that we're all people who are looking for adventure and life. We love our children, we love to travel, and we're trying to live as interesting a life as possible. We try to make interesting work and earn a living at the same time.

 

That is exactly what it's about. It's one life for us and we're trying to not take it for granted. It actually feels powerful, because I feel like the abundance that I've experienced all these years is so in my bones. But now I feel like I want to do other things with that abundance. I want to see how it feels when you just stay put, with meditation, or even trying to do the things that I never get to do, like reading or drawing. Because I had so much living, now I'm asking myself, “What's the next phase of living deep?” Now I'm realizing, more than ever, that life is about the sacredness, and just really treasuring the things that are a part of me. Now, I totally enjoy being home with my daughters. I have a different relationship with these everyday things, and I have realized that having these things is enough. I have enough right here, and I just need to take it in.

 

Clara Cullen— Can we talk about the Spring/Summer ‘23 collection? One of my favorite pieces was made from a towel from a hotel — a fragment of a piece of our lives. And taking it out of context and bringing it to the streets of Chinatown, I thought it was the most genius thing.

 

I'm so happy you related to that piece. In 2016, we went to Capri, and then I was in Pulia in this other beautiful monastery. I was just struck by how beautiful the basic textiles were. The towels were the perfect blue. So I persuaded the hotels to let me buy some, and that kind of started me falling in love with towels and collecting them wherever I went. There was something very visceral about having a cloth or a textile from that region reminding you of how special that time period was. It was exciting to have the towels be in that mix because, for the collection, I was able to use textiles that I had collected 20 years ago from my first brand. It felt like this sort of weird magical thing when you're young and you don't know what you're doing, and all of a sudden, one day something clicks. Twenty years ago was the beginning of my path of making clothes and creating, but I started overthinking things and designing more methodically. I lost the essence of what I really wanted to achieve. So, 10 years later, when I started the store, that time around it was so minimal that it felt pure, and I related to it. It was feeling new again.

PALOMA, MARYAM, AND THISTLE wear FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH

MF— Can I ask you something, Maryam?

 

Of course.

 

MF— Based on what you were saying, for somebody who overthinks things so much, how do you produce so much? You're always in your head about things, and at the same time, you're very free.

 

I think it's actually making things really sincerely and fast. I think on an emotional level, I overthink things; but on a creative level, it's really fast for me and I don't overthink it. It's where I feel the most in charge and free. There are no boundaries to my creativity.

 

CC— What is your process and timing for making a collection?

 

With the structure of the industry, it's so planned that I have to be formulaic. I'm building a story with shapes, and then I finally see them at the end. I kind of forget what's going to happen and what I decided, and then in the end it goes to the factories, and then it comes back to me. It's the most exciting when I get to see it made, and have people put it on, and have it styled — then it comes to life. But then I want to see a history built around each piece once it's made. It needs to be worn and experienced.

 

CC— I was just thinking about when I make a documentary about you and we go through the process of the collection one day.

 

Well, maybe by then, my process will be different. Because I think that unearthing those towel textiles was a part of my awakening. There's a part of me that wants to return to feeling like more of an artist like I felt in my 20s. I feel in some ways that I'm just starting, even though I have some history behind my craft. The last collection was fitting since it was inspired by coming full circle, and mixing old and new. So that was exciting, when I was able to experience that moment of, “I haven't seen this textile in so long, but this still feels like a part of my aesthetic.” I think sometimes things speak to you super quietly, and then you know you have to do it. Then when the time is right, it's just very clear. 

 

I didn't realize that when I did the show, it had been 10 years since I started making clothes again, and it was 20 years since I had started my brand when I was in my 20s. The show notes discussed waves, rebirth and death. It feels like a new time for me. But I'm at my parents' home cleaning through old artwork and clothes, and it's been making me think that maybe the rebirth that my last collection brought on is still not complete yet — it's an ongoing thing. I feel like my dream is for my next chapter to have a studio practice.

...on a creative level, it's really fast for me and I don't overthink it. It's where I feel the most in charge and free. There are no boundaries to my creativity.
  • COCO GORDON MOORE, ERIN MOMMSEN, KALMAN, HAILEY BENTON GATES and MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH wear FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH

CC I think it's important to be able to revisit your voice from when you were 20, and be able to hear it and project it now that you have the experience to do so. I now also find myself doing things in simpler ways, and it brings about the same feelings that I felt when I was 20.

 

MF It's also interesting because you go through a period in your young 20s when you don't have the pressure of an audience, so you're just doing what you do, and then all of a sudden the world starts looking at you. And you then inevitably start questioning yourself. Then, eventually, you get to a point where you just are able to say, “Fuck it,” and you end up going back to where you started when the world wasn't judging you.

 

That's what I'm going through. I'm thinking, “Should I just have a tiny business, almost like a startup again?” There's an aspect where I need to provide for my daughters. But then there's another part where I'm like, “I miss the art and the craft of the discovery.” I think it becomes less about how good the work is, it's more about, like, your relationship with it, right?

 

MF When I was looking at your collection, I had this thought about how the composition of your clothes, and how you style them, is proportionately very similar to how you take photographs. There's something about the play between the totality and the fragment and the ephemeral. It's very consistent, even between mediums.

 

CC There is a sentimentality in everything Maryam does.

 

MF And a looseness. Compositionally, you deal with positive and negative space across mediums in a similar way. I think that you're interested in something that I'm really interested in as well, which is just this idea of gesture being what's important. This sort of ephemeral gesture that somehow mirrors the totality of experience.

 

It's natural, and it's real and it's capturing a moment in time.

 

MF Yeah, and I think your clothes also share those qualities.

 

CC And there's something to be said about the non-perfection of it all, as well.

 

Oh, definitely. When I think about what's precious to me, the sentimentality of the clothing isn't precious, but it's the respect and the reverence of something that you cherish, like a friendship, or an old piece of textile.

It's natural, and it's real and it's capturing a moment in time.
  • COCO GORDON MOORE wears FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH
  • SUSAN CIANCIOLO and HAILEY BENTON GATES wear FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH

MF— Your clothing, photographs and relationships all have that sort of fleeting romance to them. It's not about overworked perfection.

 

CC— I agree. I want to say one more thing relating back to simplicity and returning to your roots. You know, Maryam, that takes a lot of balls. Anyone with a normal head on their shoulders would look at your work and say, “You're doing great,” but you have the strength to still want to improve. At the same time, nobody who does a creative job thinks they're doing enough, but the thing is, you grow up, have kids and you have things to do. It's difficult to get to that point, so I think it's important not to judge yourself so much.

 

MF— It's easy to hear the truth. Listening to the truth is difficult. Because in a way, the world is increasingly pushing us in another direction. If we're talking about poetry and romance, our culture is telling us, v“don't bother with that.” Now, what is pushed on us is to be as impactful and quick as possible.

 

I feel like the creative world is now such a platform to overthink and compare. But it's funny, because even with this rapid way of communicating we have now, as I'm maturing, I'm realizing how much my family has become my community in influencing my work. It's only happening as I'm aging because I'm thinking back to who I've become if everything is about this full-circle ride. I think about my dad's mom's grandfather; he was a manufacturer of high-quality Persian rugs. My grandma had a boutique in Iran in the '70s. She was a big inspiration of mine. And then my aunt was always doing crafts when I was younger and taking me to craft shows.

 

But back then, I always felt with my parents, I didn't really relate to them as much. My dad was an engineer, and my mom was more into math. But now I realize how much my mom and my dad influence me, even just as people and their style. All of that reflection has had me, lately, thinking of my daughters. How their drawings are so special, and I wanna curate a show. Anais wants to be an author, and I'm starting to write a lot now, too. It's a new love of mine. So what I'm realizing now as I'm aging, is that family is ingrained in my system. But I also wanted to say that it's so special to be interviewed by people that are dear to you.

 

MF— We can talk about all of these incredible things that Maryam has done and accomplished, but on the other side, Maryam is just an incredible person that I love being friends with — and all of the rest doesn't really matter compared to that.

  • KALMAN and ERIN MOMMSEN wear FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH 
  • SUSAN CIANCIOLO wears FULL LOOK by MARYAM NASSIR ZADEH

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